Checking out AVfM again (on psychiatry and owning one’s semen)

Perusing AVfM tonight for the first time in a while. Came across this post in their Introduction forum by a man sharing a whole lot of details about what he claims to have been put through as a child. (My spidey sense went off on it too, for the record.)

Not gonna make light of what that man Thomas wrote. If he was in foster care, he has my sympathies. And sexual abuse as a child can screw up a person’s mind in severe ways and perhaps permanently in some cases. Not all are constituted equally nor all capable of coping to the same degrees. That’s just life — not a judgment.

That aside, I’d just like to respond to the conclusion of that thread after “professional” guidance had been suggested. My thoughts on the matter here just as in any case I read about where someone seems traumatized by their pasts are that the mental health field is seriously fucked up and I so wish there was another way available. There’s something jacked-up with too many of the people involved in that field of employment, plus there’s a lot wrong with the theories they tend to operate with, PLUS there’s a lot wrong with how they’re driven to medicate people and how poorly those drugs actually appear to perform. Are the “side” effects even worth it?

It is not uncommon for suicidal ideations to be exacerbated by piling on psychotropic drugs.

The possible therapeutic benefit of psychiatric drugs remains highly debatable all across the board.

Beyond that, those entrusted with the title of “mental health professional” really do tend to too often be the last damn people worth talking to. My own direct experiences are limited, but I garner this from that, plus what I’ve heard from so many others as well as what I’ve read on the subject. The psychiatry profession as a whole is a serious concern all unto itself (for readings that go into it outside of the mainstream focus, there’s Dr. Peter Breggin, having personally so far read his book Toxic Psychiatry, and Dr. Thomas Szasz), and on various levels. To direct people toward it, while well-intentioned, can wind up doing more harm than good. Sadly enough.

But what can we do about this if the situation truly is already as is claimed? I don’t know. But this bugs me. I realize we have little choice but to direct people that way in hope of them finding a worthwhile therapist who can aid them, especially considering we laypeople often cannot. Where would we even start? And online? That’s not going to be what he likely needs.

This brings up two thoughts for me. While psychiatry (and much of the Psychology field too overall) deserves to be lavished with critical scrutiny, we lack any other real alternative for people at present (beyond already being bonded in and/or establishing supportive friendships and kin connections). Do we not really need public alternatives to Psychiatry? But what could that be? Secondly, though already mentioned, I’ve found that the people who help me cope the most have been my close friends and loved ones. Without a constructive bond existing or being established, it can often be a pipe dream to expect someone to really and truly receive help. We’re social beings who greatly value our connections, and it’s this lack of (or damage to) connections to begin with that tends to screw us up so bad.

Easier to provide quality care upfront than to try to repair the broken pieces later, or so it’s been said. But life is turbulent, especially in modern times despite all the material comforts now available. Cultures are in flux and being overran by brand-new ways of looking at life. Technologies have been rapidly ramping up over the last century in particular, and we’re all impacted by that whether we want to be, or are even fully cognizant of it, or not.

That’s what I’ve come to believe anyway.

Though, I also think that some of what winds up broken can’t always be fixed. No guarantees there. Hard to say when exactly that applies since it doesn’t seem to be simply a measure of violent exposure alone that determines this. This isn’t something Science alone can tell us a lot about. Personal will can and does factor in a lot as well, degrees varying, plus social influences and how they stack up over time. One’s own personality matters a great bit in terms of how one views the world and can cope. Not all can cope, and not in the same ways. And I don’t know what, if anything, can be done about that.

It’s just an observation. Not a criticism of anybody on that thread. Just thinking aloud.

Then I began watching an AVfM podcast and now at around the 26-minute mark they bring up a man’s semen being his own property. Well yes, BUT if one donates it, then there it goes. While I can understand that taking reasonable precautions can show intent for not wishing to share the actual seeds with another, there’s always the risk of the precautions failing. Same goes for birth control (and Plan B) pills for women. I don’t know what to tell people on that either. Been thinking on it for many months though (and believe I’ve blogged about it elsewhere on here). If I were a man I’d view the situation very differently, but as a woman who doesn’t want kids it’s another matter. I do have the power at present to choose to not undergo an unwanted pregnancy. Different tools in a woman’s toolbox there (speaking as an American).

Vasalgel can’t get released to the public soon enough. That would be wonderful. Wouldn’t fix everything entirely, but it could go a long way in giving men the ability to choose as well.


Update the next day: Spoke to someone about this post and am wanting to clarify that this isn’t so much about AVfM or the “manosphere” or anything like that — that thread just got me thinking about the field of psychiatry and the harm it can do. Plus, a lot of counselors out there turn out to not prove too useful. And this sort of issue can effect anyone and everyone, not just males in particular. My beef here is only with the field of Psychiatry specifically, though I understand members on that site aren’t in a position to recommend anything else to a person than to seek out local professional help. It’s really beyond the scope of what they’re equipped to handle on a site like that — I totally get it. But that doesn’t stop me from grumbling about the psychiatric field and wishing better alternatives existed and were as easily accessible to people who are struggling.

It boils down to another pipe dream on my part, that’s also understood. This goes back to our social setups and support networks and how those ties and ways of life are actively being eroded as we move into most-modern times. Not sure what, if anything, can be done about it though.

Further thoughts on what’s logical vs. what’s life-affirming

I was worried writing the post directly before this one would be opening up a can of worms that requires a lot more time to explore and break it down. Just a pondering agnostic here, so don’t no one get it twisted. The metaphors that strike me as useful and descriptive I go ahead and borrow for my own purposes (or to expand on purposes introduced by others).

Let’s put it this way: The U.S., Great Britain, China, Russia, Israel, among other countries, all comprise the global System. This is the New Rome. Undoubtedly this isn’t a controversial claim. And most people alive today are rendered dependent on them in one way, shape, or form (especially us Americans since most of us barely know how to do anything to provide for our basic needs anymore aside from acquiring and waving around money).

How does the story end? Who knows? Don’t even know if it will end. What worries me isn’t an ending, it’s the trap humans find themselves in in recent times, particularly dating back over the last century. So much has changed so rapidly and on such a scale that the System created has overshadowed common people. Our power, both as individuals and as communities, has been trumped. We’re like birds in a cage with clipped wings. And what power people do possess is funneled by way of overhauled social customs and economic demands toward servicing the System somehow, some way. That is to say that people no longer work toward satisfying their own ends but rather service the ends of something bigger and stronger than ourselves and our communities. People have long been beasts of burden out of necessity, but the difference today is that much of the work undertaken isn’t honestly productive or fully within our own control. The slavemaster of old was Nature — the slavemasters of today are other people and the companies and institutions they are cloaked within. Our means of caring for ourselves is no longer a direct relationship with Nature or free exchange between people, but rather it’s filling positions like cogs within a wheel in order to earn enough money to pay companies to provide what we need and want. We can thank specialization for this radical overhaul in labor — a double-edged sword like most else.

What is “sin”? Besides being a word signifying a concept I’ve long shied away from—having so many quibbles over its interpretation that it would take a week to lay out my objections—I’ve come to understand it as representing that which winds up being life-negating and leads toward psychological chaos. So, in my view, it isn’t what a lot of people like to assume it is, or at least not for the reasons they claim. Very often parrot claims of what’s sin and what isn’t without considering the matter critically for themselves. And I do believe there are shades of grey there, most definitely — it’s rarely all or nothing when it comes to moral matters. Sin represents what does harm to us as individual persons and/or an honestly life-affirming way of life. What I mean by that isn’t simple to explain and I can see where different opinions on this matter can make sense despite conflicting, making it all the more clear that we’re not dealing with solid objective truths here. Different societies and communities operate in different ways, so naturally people can and will determine these things in ways that won’t prove compatible if all were suddenly jammed into one society (as we’re figuring out in our melting pot called the U.S.A.).

Does examining what’s logical always prove life-affirming? This I’ve been wondering a lot about in recent times, and I’m settling on the conclusion of “no.” Because an argument proves logical doesn’t imply it’s life-affirming or sane, as plenty of thought exercises bandied about out there suggest. Logic is another one of those amoral aspects of human thought. What is life-affirming very often is (or perhaps always is) logical (at least on one level or another), but all that is logically sound isn’t necessarily life-affirming nor is it guaranteed to be compatible with healthy human living.

For example, because the System does provide for many humans’ needs and has allowed for unprecedented population growth to the point where many (if not most) of us now depend on it in order to survive, it may be argued that maintaining this System is logical. However, if this way of life produced under this System is creating so much psychological distress to humans to where suicide rates and destructive impulses are on the rise and the vast majority experience feelings of depression and anxiety on a regular basis, not to mention the corruption inherent in such a System, can we reasonably consider it just and moral for humans to remain subjected to and dominated by it? And this is where people tend to say that it doesn’t matter either way since this is what we have and this is where we stand today, so get used to it.

If we’re unhappy enough that plenty of us complain daily, then that’s a sign that something has to give. And because the System itself won’t give, I expect more people will be the ones who wind up giving, in the form of suicide or mentally breaking down or growing extremely apathetic. And that leads to the psychological chaos I’m talking about. When power is obstructed from working toward honestly productive ends, it does not simply fade away — instead, it winds up diverted toward self-destructive and/or destructive ends. In short, power always seeks an outlet, and humans are creatures of power. This is a condition of our very nature at the core.

So, what do we do about it? I don’t know. But I suppose seeing it for what it is and examining what isn’t working is a step in the right direction of imagining what truly might work or at least allows us to consider our individual options in response.