And then the “manosphere” imploded…

Interesting couple of weeks to be tracking the so-called “manosphere” online.

Let’s see…first there were “doxxing” attempts made on popular “MGTOW” personalities where someone created an anonymous Twitter account and posted up Barbarossa and Stardusk’s photos, along with links to things they’d said or written years back. And my name got drug into it since this anonymous person decided to publicly forward this info to me along with a handful of others. Still not sure what to make of that aspect.

Then the “MGTOWs” (a.k.a., Men Going Their Own Way) went full-frontal against the MRM (men’s rights movement), particularly the organization AVFM (A Voice For Men) which is billed as the biggest and most influential in the online “manosphere.” That included much lampooning of Aaron Clarey, another youtuber sent the “doxxed” info mentioned above, plus RBK’s (RazorBladeKandy2) uploading of hours-long videos critical of one Janet Bloomfield who works for AVFM before he came out with a couple more videos arguing that the MRM as a whole will prove futile (an argument I’d like to analyze another day). Then a bunch of others jumped into the mix and began howling and ridiculing back and forth.

Then, GQ came out with its unflattering article on the MRM and AVFM (linked and mentioned in a past post).

And then, it came out that Jordan Owen (mentioned in my last post) and Davis M.J. Aurini had a falling out and it’s questionable as to whether they will (together or separately) complete the documentary called “The Sarkeesian Effect” after raising thousands of dollars in donations to do so. Aurini has taken to defaming and entirely blaming his (now former) co-creator on his blog (post one and two). Typical of Aurini, from what I’ve seen out of the weasel.

AND THEN, most interesting of all, in my opinion, a youtuber who calls himself The Justicar has basically gone full-NAMBLA (that is, North American Man/Boy Love Association) in his recent 3-part series of videos arguing that the age of consent laws should be done away with in favor of assessing individual children and teens according to their own individual capabilities to consent, regardless of age. Determined how? He claims this should be clearly evident by simply talking to them. Hmmm… This might sound hyperbolic on my end, but I listened to all he had to say in those 3 videos and read and interacted a great deal in his comment sections over the last few days. And yes, I acknowledge that he obfuscates the main point by bringing in children being tried as adults for crimes and the arbitrariness of age limits for alcohol and military service and whatever else. He’s not much fun to take the time to read and hear out due to his snarky nature, but I’ve done so out of curiosity, waiting for him to claim this was all some sort of ruse ultimately intended to jab at libertarianism (since he likes to do that in roundabout ways sometimes, forever toying with “logic”). But that has yet to be the case. Instead, Justicar has offered up his own story of having been a 9 year old who made the fully conscious and consensual decision to perform fellatio on a man in his 20s (so he claims). While in other comments he comes across as extremely calloused toward others who reportedly endured negative sexual experiences as children at the hands of adults, most especially if he viewed them as lower ranking in terms of socioeconomic class, quality of upbringing, and general intelligence level (at least according to his own assessment).

Haven’t liked the guy since viewing more than a few of his videos, beginning nearly 3 years ago (kinda liked his channel initially though before delving deeper). Grade A asshole right there, and now he’s stepped over a line that definitively has destroyed any ounce of respect I may have ever had for him. What bugs me most is how his fans just keep going along with whatever he says, humbling themselves in responses to him and vehemently defending him against any others who might be (legitimately) critical.

In other news, a youtuber who goes by the handle TL;DR is still batting around an idiot by the name SexyMGTOW (which he undeniably deserves after making several videos claiming, incredibly enough, that women are not real human beings). Went around with that jerk nearly a year ago. Total waste of time. Glad someone else is finally willing to try setting him straight.

So yep, some of this has been interesting, some mildly entertaining, and some utterly depressing. I won’t pretend to know what to do with all of this. It’s understandable that folks are going to fight, especially online, and I can see where some matters needed to be dragged out into the light of day and openly hashed out, since not everybody can simply be on-board with and tolerant of everything and everyone. But it’s a question of where these sort of factions intend to go from here. Guess this is part of the problem with such loose affiliations that show clear signs of poor leadership. I am being harsh here, because I’ve said for a long time (long before knowing anything of the “manosphere”) that there are some people who do not deserve to be considered one’s brethren. Not all are on the same team, nor will they ever be. Some are purely opportunists who look out only for what they want, the rest be damned. Some are flaming idiots, and some are liable to be dangerous, as life demonstrates to us regularly enough.

Sorry folks, but not all men are good or worthy of respect. Just as not all women are. As should be quite obvious. Sadly though, charisma is not dependent on one’s scruples. People flock toward highly charismatic persons, nevermind that they may be snakes in the grass. More reasonable, fairer and more balanced voices tend to wind up ignored. Unfortunately this is also clearly demonstrated within our U.S. political system. I don’t like this fact more than anybody else, but we can see it play out plain as day. Idiots and assholes rule the day, much as I wish that wasn’t the case. And we allow this to be so.

I’m not sure what’s worth backing these days, hence why I’m taking time to hang back and observe. Hence why I feel it’s so important for us to work with those we’re able instead of devoting so much time and energy trying to shape movements when so many people within said movements are prone to discredit themselves and the movement as well. It’s another paradox where the only way to affect political change is to group up and consolidate funds; and yet, through doing so, one becomes vulnerable to being undermined by people within one’s own movement. So there’s this need to know who we’re choosing to affiliate with and to control for that, yet mass movements scattered across entire countries (or the entire internet) makes it possible for practically anybody to waltz in and claim affiliation, and there’s not much one can do about it. And if one or a handful of them fuck up, the black eye winds up distributed to all under said banner, deemed guilty by association. The bigger the movement, the less control any one individual therein really has, especially as a mere rank-and-file participant. And some people will prove to be either incredibly stupid or wicked or both — that’s always a given.

But to walk one’s own way and shun affiliations is to give the impression of not caring (even if you sincerely do) and may very well lead to one having less access to possibly influence a greater number of people. But then it becomes a question of the sort of influence one’s even trying to have. I personally would rather stand with my own vetted friends, loved ones, and willing associates than join up with a bunch of strangers who, more often than not (in my experience), turn out to have very different agendas than my own. I don’t know how to remedy this recurring conflict in interests.

Time to head to work.

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