Just finished up reading what’s been posted in this thread on AVfM titled “This is Why I Talk to Feminists”: forums.avoiceformen.com/showthread.php?6826-This-is-why-I-talk-to-feminists
(Great article shared by the OP, btw, which I’ll also post up here: http://guardianlv.com/2013/11/kkk-member-walks-up-to-black-musician-in-bar-but-its-not-a-joke-and-what-happens-next-will-astound-you/)
And I see those guys have moved on to berating yet another female member aiming to relate and discuss with them. Personally, I thought “Sally Mainstream” and “Lany” (to view attitudes expressed toward her, particularly from johntheother, see this thread; both women participated in this thread as well) were being very understanding and reasonable, much more so than I’d be if those jokers jumped on my case like that over nothing. There are better ways of getting one’s point across than being a rude, condescending jerk with a hair-trigger for taking shit the wrong way. Bunch of assholes, many of them are. And frankly, that group of individuals, from everything I’ve read on that forum (quite a bit by now), don’t deserve support and recognition, because their main objective IS NOT to support men and improve conditions through advancing greater fairness in the system, but rather is to simply demonize feminists and talk down to women in general.
People on there said I didn’t stick around long, but I didn’t need to. Despite our couple of threads of interacting I was reading other threads and noticed just how incredibly hostile and corrupt many of the men on there behave as. If others wish to affiliate with that sort of thing, knock yourselves out. But me personally — no way. What good comes from that? If you have a personal problem you’re upset about, then talk about THAT, but it needn’t be blown out of proportion and applied to all women categorically, as if all women did you wrong or are mischievously plotting to do so. That’s bullshit, and it’s that same sort of bullshit that made “radical” feminism so toxic to society. Going the other way with it improves nothing.
Though honestly I don’t think most of those guys are concerned about actually improving a thing. They just want to jabber to one another and complain and bellyache and that be it. Okay. I can understand that. I do that here on my own blog. But I don’t label it as part of a women’s rights movement, I call it my personal space for venting and working through issues. It appears that having the same space occupied by those wishing to rage against womankind and those aiming to improve conditions for men is jacking up their program, because a lot of us who give a damn about how men are impacted by society aren’t wanting to support cruel and petty motherfuckers in the same token. See, I learned a long time ago that neither sex is populated by good, upstanding individuals. Hell no. Some men are tyrants and sadists, as are some women, and I’m not here to bolster their jackassery. Fuck them. I know well enough to know that some men are my fucking enemies, point blank, and I don’t want to be affiliated with them or aid them in any way whatsoever. I want to associate with decent men who mean well and are trying to improve their circumstances and uphold justice and fairness. Mere spewing of insults and derogations is the opposite of supporting a worthwhile objective so far as I see it, and I’m not going to bow down and lick anybody else’s boots, literally or figuratively.
We all come through whatever we come through and are healing from it. Men have problems with women, men have problems with men. Women have problems with men, women have problems with women. Such is life. And we can either deal with that or just spin ourselves around perpetually snapping at people who happen to possess similar anatomy to others who did us wrong. Sorry folks, but all women aren’t one way, nor are all men one way, and that’s common fucking sense. Deal with it. All the hating will get people nowhere, at least nowhere good.
But whatever. Doesn’t matter to folks what I think and I don’t expect it to, hence why I post this on my own little corner of the internet.